Submitted by robsafuto on Fri, 09/26/2008 - 23:06.
It looks like it is going to be a wet and wild weekend at Shea. The Mets need a sweep of the Marlins. It will be all hands on deck because after this there's nothing if the Mets don't win. So I expect it to be a pretty exciting series. I suppose plenty of Mets greats will stop by as well. To heck with the rain, it's time for the Mets to make a few more Amazin Moments at Shea.
Submitted by robsafuto on Sat, 09/27/2008 - 02:53.
The loss tonight was the stake in the heart of the Mets I believe. The Phillies won, so the best the Mets can do is tie for the division. The Brewers are winning (5-1 in the bottom of the 7th) tonight. If that holds up the Mets will be 1 back in the wild card and out of control of their own destiny.
Anyway, I'm not going to let the end of the season get me down. I'm going to celebrate Shea, celebrate the memories and all that good stuff. This situation is disappointing for sure. At the very least I hoped we could get the monkey off of our backs and show everyone that the Mets could do it in September and make the playoffs. There's always next year.
Submitted by robsafuto on Sat, 09/27/2008 - 03:23.
For whatever it's worth. The Mets starter tomorrow was TBA today. Word from Gary, Keith and Ron was that if the Mets lost tonight (which they did) that Johan Santana would pitch tomorrow on three days rest. To that I say fine. That's what he gets paid the big bucks for. But I hope the Mets bring their damn bats for him. The Mets had chances to score runs early in the game tonight (5 base runners in the first 2 innings) and didn't get it done. Hopefully pride alone can prevent something like that from happening tomorrow.
Submitted by sgtwarbucks on Sat, 09/27/2008 - 12:44.
Folks,
While i don't hold TOO much hope in an amazing comeback Saturday/Sunday, you've got to remember some key moments in METS history:
They never thought that the Mets would come from last place at the end of August 1973 to get to the world series.
They never thought that the hapless Mets would be World Series champs when facing the Orioles in 1969.
They never thought that down to their last out in 1986 the Mets would come back and win Game 6 AND Game 7 and be World Champs again.
What infruriates me the most as a Mets fan is the way the fans at the ballpark, OUR BALLPARK, are going crazy and BOOING OUR PLAYERS!
Be upset, be insanely dissapointed with the performance, but do you honestly think that booing these guys will help them in ANY WAY?
If you're that disgusted STAY HOME! I want my memories of Shea to be the love of the game of Baseball and the love of the Mets. As somebody once said, they may be BUMS but their OUR BUMS!
Tug Said it.....I believe it.....That settles it......
YA GOTTA BELIEVE
we are in a tight spot, but we have to come out with fire and be ready for the challenge. santana on the mound gives us a good chance to win. if our abts come ready to play we have a great shot. first, we need to forget about catching the phils. they will win the division by either 1 or 2 or more games, it doesn't matter how much. they won't lose 2 to the nationals. but the brewers are playing the cubs. i know they're good, but i can't see the brew crew sweeping the cubs. and they are playing their regulars (they'd better be!) so the brewers will likely lose at least one of those 2 games, which opens the door just enough for us to climb back in...supposing we jump through. WE CANNOT BE ELIMINATED IF WE WIN TODAY! the players need to know that and leave it all out on the feild. if we win 2 and the brewers end up sweeping, their's nothing we can do about it, and we should go out with our heads held high. but if the brewers s=open the door for us and we don't take advantage, that is what will give us nightmares all the way till next season. so fans, johan, bats, and bullpen, play hard, play to win, and send shea off with a playoff berth!
I like the new look manuel put on the lineup today. reyes of course will always be leadoff but i like beltran in the number 2 slot because he is fast enough and hits for good enough average to be the standard 2 hitter but also sports enough power and rbi ability to help out when the bottom of the order gets on and needs somebody to drive them in. while i would prefer wright 3rd and delgado 4th, i also like spreading out murphy and church, so that teh bottom of the order has something to work with too and we aren't so top heavy. hopefully we can make the playoffs and try it out there too.
Submitted by giantsfan7791 on Sat, 09/27/2008 - 20:06.
Johan with a 3-hit shoutout, i think it's his 3rd CG of the season. A perfect game (in my eyes) when the Mets needed it most, working on only 3 days rest. Talk about clutch. And to think i almost had tickets to that game, would've been my happiest moment ever. I sure hope Rob uploads his pics quick.
Wooooooooooo! i am soooo psyched. what a game by johan santana. Going on three days rest in an absolutely do or die game which he pleaded with manuel to let him start in, johan strikes out 9 in a 3 hit, complete game shutout, lowering his season era to a smokin 2.53 and breaking the 200 strikeout mark. WOW! that will go down as one for the ages regardless of what happens later today or tommorow. he may have just earned his entire 30 million a year paycheck with one game. there is absolutely nothing we needed more than that. nolasco was dealing too, and our bats were only able to put up 2 runs (pretty much what johan has had to work with all year) and our bullpen gave up 3 runs in 3 innings last night. johan singlehandedly bailed out our bats, single handedly garunteed a win and gave the bullpen a day off to rest up for the huge game tommorow. best pitcher in baseball hands down and if we make the playoffs i seriously think people will have to consider him for cy young, even over CC.
Anyone know who's gonna take the mound tommorow? We'll be facing Olsen, i know, and i think the brewers might try to throw out CC again, so we really need a W. hopefully the cubs can beat the brewers and make this a tie heading into the last day. we can't use pelfrey or johan, and maine is hurt. and perez has only 3 days rest. our options are tony armas jr., claudio vargas, nelson figueroa, and jon niese. i say we go with niese....he threw 8 shutout innigns for us earlier in the year in his second career start (although his frist and third were less than admirable) and he is our best pitching prospect so this experience could be invaluable. of course, whoever gets the ball would be under a TON of pressure, and that might be a bit much for a young guy. figueroa and armas have a bit more experience. who do you think should get the call?
I know they are leading the Brewers 2-0, but the cubs are benching all their starters. Alfonso Soriano, Mark DeRosa, Aramis Ramirez, Derek Lee, and Ryan Theriot are all grabbing pine for the cubbies. if they win i don't care, but if they wind up losing....isn't that sort of cheap? this is the same team whose manager said just this past few days when they were playing us that he was starting all his regulars throughout for the integrity of the game. that's all well and good, except he started his starters for the 4 games vs. us and now that their playing our opponents he benches his starters! that is really cheap and if the brewers win without the cubs best players in i will be ticked.
I hadn't looked yet at who's playing, but this sounds like grounds for a commissioner's protest or something if that's the case. Piniella promising that he'd play his regular lineup too removes any claim that it didn't occur to him. From the Cubs' point of view, why wouldn't they want to play the Mets, who are stumbling more (this week anyway) than the Brewers? Now it's 4-0 so maybe it's a moot point and we might have some say in what Game 162 means. I hope 162 has some meaning, but whether it does or not or how it turns out, we're going to realize after it's done that Shea is gone.
frigin bastards! they are not starting their starters today either! and what worse, instead of starting zambrano as they were slated to, the cubs are throwing out some triple A guy! and they say they'll only use him for 1 or 2 innings to give the bullpen some work to "get them ready for the playoffs". bullshit! the cubs would much rather play the dodgers than us in the playoffs, and if the brewers win, since division rivals can't play each other in the first round, thy would get the easier dodgers. it's so obvious! is there any way the mets can complain to the commish? lou even PROMISED that he would start his regulars "for the integrity of the game", and he did so against as and in doing so took 2 games from us, but now he's not vs. the brewers. what the hell. and when a reporter cornered pinella about the decision this was his response...
"it's not going to matter because...well...it's just not going to matter."
i swear that is word for word what he said. with the brewers pitching CC against the cubs backups and them pitching their worst SP and their bullpen against the brewers, it is not looking like the brewers are going to help us out. that unfairl puts the mets in a must win position today (which i guess they were in anyway) but i am very mad at pinella. there has to be some way we can challenge this with the commish or something!
Ok i'm sorry pinella is starting his roster regulars. but still, he's putting in angel guzman, who has a 7.04 era in 5 career starts, all cubs losses, and says no pitcher will go more than 1 or 2 innings. very gay. he didn't do that to us!
Submitted by robsafuto on Sat, 09/27/2008 - 22:25.
I got back from the game a little while ago and am sorting through all the media. I got to say hi to Sgt. Warbucks who was at the game with a friend. Lots of pics, audio and video coming. The Brewers are behind by two now so we'll see what happens with that game.
Submitted by robsafuto on Sat, 09/27/2008 - 23:02.
The Mets are tied for the wild card. Keep in mind that if the Mets and Brewers end up tied that there will be a one game playoff at Shea Stadium on Monday. The damn Phillies won. No time to fret about the NL East though.
Now....if only Wright or Church could've come up with a sac fly or even a deep ground ball a few nights ago, we'd have Milwaukee on the brink of elimination tomorrow. Still, if you're in it going into game 162, ya gotta believe.
Submitted by robsafuto on Sat, 09/27/2008 - 23:37.
You could think back to a number of games, including one I remember that was blown against the Phillies at Shea in the 9th inning. When the race is tight those types of things become incredibly important. The Mets have won the wild card in a situation very similar to this (I'm thinking of 1999) before so playoff baseball is still possible for the Mets in 2008.
Or, being in Minnesota, I think back to the 2007 series vs. the Twins where we dropped 2 of 3 and I think Santana beat us once. There's your 1 game back after game 162. But this year think how much better we did in interleague games and against the Phillies in particular. Without that we'd be done today.
Going up against the fish in the last weekend of the season again. Maine was stellar in the 2nd last game of '07 against them as was Johan tonight. Here's hoping Perez doesn't have a meltdown like Glavine did on the final day. Tomorrow is a must win because the pitching match up tomorrow in the Cubs/Brewers game heavily favours the Brewers although Sabathia could be the little bit more vulnerable on short rest.
Submitted by robsafuto on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 00:05.
If the Mets win on Sunday then at the very least there will be one playoff game at Shea Stadium. The Mets reached the playoffs in a similar fashion in 1999, beating the Reds in Cincinnati in a one game playoff. And we shouldn't forget that all the pressure is on the Brewers because the Mets gained five games on them in September. So while the Mets have played just okay (13-11 in September) the Brewers have been bad.
I tuned in to the end of the Brewers/Cubs games and there were a LOT of Cubs fans there and I assume it will be the same tomorrow. I'm guessing a lot of Cubs fans bought up tickets early thinking this might be the series where they clinch the division. When Wood was closing the game, it seemed like a Cubs home game with all the noise they were making.
I wonder if Lou will start his strongest lineup. You would think he would want his team to go into the playoffs on a winning note.
Submitted by robsafuto on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 01:01.
One of the funniest quotes I've heard from a manager speaking of player performance. The full Jerry Manuel quote follows.
"If I had to describe that one, I'd say that was gangster," said Jerry Manuel, who had to be prodded this week to let Santana start on short rest. "That was serious gangster right there."
Submitted by robsafuto on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 13:08.
My brother came through with a ticket for the final game today. So I'll be there rooting for a win. Have camera will travel so I hope to have some more good video and audio from the game.
who cares about the brewers cubs shenanigans. we don't need them to lose. we need to win. all winter in the weight room and all the offseason moves we made and all the spring training and the 6 months of season we've had, we have been fighting for our chance to get an undo of last season. to get a do-over on that last day. this year, while the season storyline has been much diffreent (we were teh ones coming back from 8 games out and making it a tight race towards the end instead of the phils/brewers), the basic situation is the same. we are tied for playoffs position entering the final day of the season. we can get in, fall out, or postpone decision on whether or not we enter the playoffs based on our one game this year. nothing else this whole season matters. we can forget about last seasons nightmares. we can forget about all our bullpen woes and 12 blown 9th inning leads and 29 blown saves and our bats crumbling with RISP and all those stats and it is all erased if we beat out the brewers. things go our way and we are in the playoffs, with redemption and a fresh start. things don't go our way and we have another year of humiliation and frustration and defeat having lost on the final day of the season for the second straight year.
Great job by Smith putting out the fire there and Beltran ties it up. Milwaukee may only be down by 1 run, but it's starting to get late for them and their pitcher [again] on 3 days' rest.
LET'S GO METS!
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Milwaukee now tied (on a bases loaded walk no less), but it looked like they could've blown it open and didn't. We're tied, they're tied.
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I hope Rob can at least work some Mets magic at big Shea one more time.
Submitted by Matt Latorre (not verified) on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 21:34.
Wow I did not see this game coming. Today was setting up to be the perfect day the Jets won big my fantasy football team is winning 145-81 and the Mets were tied and the brewers losing. Enter Scott NO@#!$#!SHOenweis and Luis Ayallow home runs! Then Delgado JUST misses a HR and same with Church. That's been the story of the mets at shea so close but so far away. Maybe a change of scenay will be good for the Mets. Oh and if Heilman and Shoenweiss are Mets next season I'm gonna become a yankee fan!!
Submitted by giantsfan7791 on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 21:37.
and I'm at a lost for words. How the Mets could do absolutely nothing in the clutch with our lineup is beyond me. We better see major changes from Jerry and Omar or the Mets will die off for another 20 years. I mean, how we still have Feliciano (who's let in 57 hits in 53 innings AND 20-some walks) is beyond me, not to mention that he's made 85 appearances to boot!
actions needed this offseason:
1. Fire Feliciano
2. Fire Heilman
3. Find better arms
4. Fix Pedro (he still has the stuff, he can very easily be a #2 starter again if we work on it)
5. Revamp our lineup (they can't do anything with RISP)
6. Fix David Wright's swing (he keeps swinging up and always flies out to an infielder in big spots)
7. Work on baserunning (the Mets should steal TONS more bases)
8. Hope everyone we have injured will heal up
9. Put Johan through one hell of a conditioning program so that he can pitch on 1 days rest and can pitch like 10 complete games a season.
I'm not even speechless, that was last year. This was just aggravating this whole season. They fall apart all the first half, look like they have no chance. Then they fire Willie, move Jerry up and make the big climb. Good streaks here and there, winning 10 in a row, 5 a few times, whatever and no extended losing streaks. Bad losses didn't turn into 3, 4, 5 in a row or 8 out of 10. Even with Wagner having a miserable season as a closer, blowing some gimme saves and somehow making the All Star team, we still hung in there. Maine went down, but he wasn't the same Maine as last year anyway. Martinez was nowhere near as good as when he came back last year. Perez was hot, cold, hot, cold, but always more cold.
Then they climb back just close enough to where we passed Philadelphia in the last week and had what seemed a safe backup in the WC. We didn't play THAT BADLY down the stretch either - 7-10 in the last 17 is hardly THE COLLAPSE II. Milwaukee had been lousy all month--then all of a sudden, WHAM! They can't lose. Philadelphia? What's their record the past 2-3 weeks been? Jeez, it takes some amazing combination of events and trends for this to happen two years in a row, albeit to a lesser degree this year. I'm still left with a bitter taste in my mouth for the anti-New York bias in the league, the media (try the ESPN Baseball Tonight podcast with the rah-rah Phillies fan sometime). Every other team in the league loves nothing better than making sure New York gets knocked out. They rearrange their lineups and rotations accordingly and go soft on Milwaukee and Philadelphia. Do you think Washington played Philadelphia with the same intensity this weekend as they did us last week??? Or Chicago playing Milwaukee??? Hell no. There would be some poetic justice if MIlwaukee turns around and knocks Chicago's sandbagging butts out of the playoffs. And if Florida or Atlanta could've played the rest of the season the same way they did against the Mets the past 3 weeks maybe they would've had something to play for in game 162. Losers.
And for all the media who were running articles when the Mets were up like "There's still time for the Mets to blow it" from that Newsday jerk, it's on your hands too for perpetuating the assumption that the Mets would blow it this year because they did last year. YOU turned it into a self-fulfilling prophecy instead of having positive word one to say about the Mets.
It kills me to think that either Philadelphia or Milwaukee will now advance, but conversely one of them WON'T. I guess root for Philadelphia to lose first, then Milwaukee. I'll pull then for L.A. over the Cubs since the Cubs sandbagged it against Milwaukee. 100 years? Screw 'em, keep waiting as far as I'm concerned. Piniella....what else would you expect from a Yankee. Heck, I might have to root for an A.L. team for the first time here--I'm in Minnesota anyway, that might be an option, or there's always Tampa Bay. I doubt they'll be a force to reckon with year in year out despite an amazing turnaround for one year.
I can imagine what a grim scene the final Shea "festivities" were on the field after that fiasco. I feel sorry for the Mets greats that were there and wonder how NOTHING from them rubbed off on the current Mets.
Submitted by giantsfan7791 on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 00:41.
people keep bashing Wagner, he is not overrated and he most definitely did not have a miserable season (apart from the injury). In fact, he was the sole shining light in our bullpen for a long time. Whenever we had to turn the ball over to the relievers, i had to hide in my room until the 9th inning, after which i was ok. Sure he had 7 blown saves this year, a lot of great closers did. If you take those 7 games out of the equation, he's lights out. I hate to break it to you guys, but I could care less if a pitcher blows 10 saves in a season if he's pitching lights out for the other 152 (which Wagner was). There are soooo many other relievers we should get rid of first, and because of us having to get rid of so many, i say we keep Wagner and see what he has after he heals up (regardless of however long away that may be). I mean, someone like Ayala with barely any talent came on and pitched well for us after the same surgery, I trust Wagner will come back strong.
As for the rest of the team, well, it's pretty obvious where we should build.
You're telling fans of a team that missed the NL East title by 1 and 2 games the past 2 years and the Wild Card by 1 game this year to discount the 7 blown saves he had this year in only half a year. Blow half of them and we're prepping for the NLDS. Sorry, an All Star closer's got to close the deal more than 79% of the time and not be such a baby about starting or entering an inning mid-inning and, yeah, he sometimes might have to get 4 or 5 outs. If Santana were closing, he sure wouldn't complain like that. So he stood up to the media when he sucked and said so in so many words. I'd still rather have a closer that didn't suck. How many years of Benitez did we endure? Not saying everyone's going to have a Brad Lidge year (41 of 41), but some of Wagner's blown saves were absolutely brutal. Look up what some of those games were. Wagner may come back strong, I couldn't care less, it won't be for the Mets in 2009, I doubt it will be for the Mets ever.
Submitted by robsafuto on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 12:41.
Billy Wagner seems to shoulder a lot blame on a team that had a shady cast of characters in the bullpen. Billy did blow a few saves but what we know now is that he was injured and trying to play through it. So while the pen was shaky with Wagner trying to pitch, the pen absolutely collapsed once Wagner went to the DL. Billy wasn't the best closer in the league anymore but when he was healthy I had no problems with his performance.
It's a moot point now anyway. Omar Minaya needs to go out and get someone else (how about Frankie Rodriquez?) for 2009.
Billy blew more than a few saves, whether or not he stood up and faced the media afterwards and regardless of how shaky the rest of the pen was (very as it turned out). I'm tired of picking up the best guy in the game from whatever year and just watching them do not a lot once they don orange and blue. I don't want to throw $100 million at this K-Rod based on one year--I've never heard of him even before this year, heck, before 6 weeks ago really. A.L. pitchers tend to stink up the joint here, Santana being the exception.
Wagner tried pitching through injuries, great, I'm thrilled to hear. How about when you're injured, you tell the team, get treated and don't make things worse by trying to play at a level that you can't DUE TO that injury? An injured player playing isn't doing his team any favors since Kirk Gibson retired.
Submitted by robsafuto on Tue, 09/30/2008 - 19:27.
Wagner recorded seven blown saves this year. For comparison purposes Jonathan Pabelbon blew five saves. Frankie Rodriguez blew seven saves. Brad Lidge had zero blown saves. Mariano had one. So Billy's numbers don't put him at the top of the list on closers, but he's not at the bottom either. I'm tired of Wagner getting the blame when there were a lot of other things wrong with the Mets in 2008. The rest of the bullpen was awful. And there were several games where the offense failed in the late innings, causing the pen to get pushed much harder then they needed to be.
Now Frankie Rodriguez is a blue chip closer. He has had 45, 47, 40 and 62 saves over the past four seasons. He has a lifetime ERA of 2.35. And he'll be 27 years old next season. I'd rather pay the money for him then be cheap and roll the dice with either Luis Ayala or Aaron Heilman in a closer role next season.
I haven't compared all these closers' stats side by side. Let's face it, not all saves are equal, neither are all blown saves. What's sticking out in MY mind though is that a lot of the saves that Wagner blew were brutal kicks to the gut. And 7 blown saves through the 2/3 of a season he played translates to 10-12 over a full season.
I see a lot of traffic online about Wagner's blown saves being blown out of proportion e.g.:
> Wagner, though spotty at times, has been a solid closer overall this season. Before Wagner hit the disabled list, no one on the roster had a save. Though he has seven blown saves this season (his most since 2000), he also has 27 saves and an ERA of 2.30.
But my college minor was economics and I know you can take statistics to make any point you want. Look at the individual narratives of the games where he coughed up the lead. I doubt there was more than one that didn't turn into a loss. Other teams' relievers might blow a save, then someone else picks them up or there's a comeback. If we did that once all year for Wagner, I'd be surprised. I know he didn't have any blown saves that turned into W's for himself.
I suspect Wagner loaded all the quality into the saves and managed to dump all over the 7 blown saves. ERA of 2.30 is nice, but what reliever has a high ERA? It's all about keeping your starters' runners from scoring, not your own. In other words he was untouchable when he succeeded and mediocre to awful when anything went wrong.
Submitted by robsafuto on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 12:48.
I was sitting one row from the top of the stadium yesterday and the air was pretty thin up there to begin with. But when Ryan Church made the final out (which I actually captured on video) you could feel the air sucked out of people's lungs. It was over. No more baseball at Shea Stadium.
People were pretty stunned. And it didn't help that the Marlins lingered on the field in celebration. At one point the fans started cheering, "Off the field!" The Mets may have lost the game but Shea is still our house.
Anyway, the end was very disappointing. There were some happy (if not Amazin) moments. Before the game I got some video (to be shared soon) of Dwight Gooden and Tom Seaver entering Shea. The Beltran home run put a charge into the crowd. And what a crowd it was. That stadium was packed to the gills. More to follow...
Wet And Wild Weekend
It looks like it is going to be a wet and wild weekend at Shea. The Mets need a sweep of the Marlins. It will be all hands on deck because after this there's nothing if the Mets don't win. So I expect it to be a pretty exciting series. I suppose plenty of Mets greats will stop by as well. To heck with the rain, it's time for the Mets to make a few more Amazin Moments at Shea.
No more Amazing Moments losing 5 to 1
I hear the fat lady starting to sing. :(
Preparing To Celebrate Shea
The loss tonight was the stake in the heart of the Mets I believe. The Phillies won, so the best the Mets can do is tie for the division. The Brewers are winning (5-1 in the bottom of the 7th) tonight. If that holds up the Mets will be 1 back in the wild card and out of control of their own destiny.
Anyway, I'm not going to let the end of the season get me down. I'm going to celebrate Shea, celebrate the memories and all that good stuff. This situation is disappointing for sure. At the very least I hoped we could get the monkey off of our backs and show everyone that the Mets could do it in September and make the playoffs. There's always next year.
Santana Saturday
For whatever it's worth. The Mets starter tomorrow was TBA today. Word from Gary, Keith and Ron was that if the Mets lost tonight (which they did) that Johan Santana would pitch tomorrow on three days rest. To that I say fine. That's what he gets paid the big bucks for. But I hope the Mets bring their damn bats for him. The Mets had chances to score runs early in the game tonight (5 base runners in the first 2 innings) and didn't get it done. Hopefully pride alone can prevent something like that from happening tomorrow.
Fans....BE FANS!
Folks,
While i don't hold TOO much hope in an amazing comeback Saturday/Sunday, you've got to remember some key moments in METS history:
They never thought that the Mets would come from last place at the end of August 1973 to get to the world series.
They never thought that the hapless Mets would be World Series champs when facing the Orioles in 1969.
They never thought that down to their last out in 1986 the Mets would come back and win Game 6 AND Game 7 and be World Champs again.
What infruriates me the most as a Mets fan is the way the fans at the ballpark, OUR BALLPARK, are going crazy and BOOING OUR PLAYERS!
Be upset, be insanely dissapointed with the performance, but do you honestly think that booing these guys will help them in ANY WAY?
If you're that disgusted STAY HOME! I want my memories of Shea to be the love of the game of Baseball and the love of the Mets. As somebody once said, they may be BUMS but their OUR BUMS!
Tug Said it.....I believe it.....That settles it......
YA GOTTA BELIEVE
well put warbucks
we are in a tight spot, but we have to come out with fire and be ready for the challenge. santana on the mound gives us a good chance to win. if our abts come ready to play we have a great shot. first, we need to forget about catching the phils. they will win the division by either 1 or 2 or more games, it doesn't matter how much. they won't lose 2 to the nationals. but the brewers are playing the cubs. i know they're good, but i can't see the brew crew sweeping the cubs. and they are playing their regulars (they'd better be!) so the brewers will likely lose at least one of those 2 games, which opens the door just enough for us to climb back in...supposing we jump through. WE CANNOT BE ELIMINATED IF WE WIN TODAY! the players need to know that and leave it all out on the feild. if we win 2 and the brewers end up sweeping, their's nothing we can do about it, and we should go out with our heads held high. but if the brewers s=open the door for us and we don't take advantage, that is what will give us nightmares all the way till next season. so fans, johan, bats, and bullpen, play hard, play to win, and send shea off with a playoff berth!
New lineup
I like the new look manuel put on the lineup today. reyes of course will always be leadoff but i like beltran in the number 2 slot because he is fast enough and hits for good enough average to be the standard 2 hitter but also sports enough power and rbi ability to help out when the bottom of the order gets on and needs somebody to drive them in. while i would prefer wright 3rd and delgado 4th, i also like spreading out murphy and church, so that teh bottom of the order has something to work with too and we aren't so top heavy. hopefully we can make the playoffs and try it out there too.
Put it in the books
Johan with a 3-hit shoutout, i think it's his 3rd CG of the season. A perfect game (in my eyes) when the Mets needed it most, working on only 3 days rest. Talk about clutch. And to think i almost had tickets to that game, would've been my happiest moment ever. I sure hope Rob uploads his pics quick.
Now THAT is an Amazin' Moment
Wooooooooooo! i am soooo psyched. what a game by johan santana. Going on three days rest in an absolutely do or die game which he pleaded with manuel to let him start in, johan strikes out 9 in a 3 hit, complete game shutout, lowering his season era to a smokin 2.53 and breaking the 200 strikeout mark. WOW! that will go down as one for the ages regardless of what happens later today or tommorow. he may have just earned his entire 30 million a year paycheck with one game. there is absolutely nothing we needed more than that. nolasco was dealing too, and our bats were only able to put up 2 runs (pretty much what johan has had to work with all year) and our bullpen gave up 3 runs in 3 innings last night. johan singlehandedly bailed out our bats, single handedly garunteed a win and gave the bullpen a day off to rest up for the huge game tommorow. best pitcher in baseball hands down and if we make the playoffs i seriously think people will have to consider him for cy young, even over CC.
Anyone know who's gonna take the mound tommorow? We'll be facing Olsen, i know, and i think the brewers might try to throw out CC again, so we really need a W. hopefully the cubs can beat the brewers and make this a tie heading into the last day. we can't use pelfrey or johan, and maine is hurt. and perez has only 3 days rest. our options are tony armas jr., claudio vargas, nelson figueroa, and jon niese. i say we go with niese....he threw 8 shutout innigns for us earlier in the year in his second career start (although his frist and third were less than admirable) and he is our best pitching prospect so this experience could be invaluable. of course, whoever gets the ball would be under a TON of pressure, and that might be a bit much for a young guy. figueroa and armas have a bit more experience. who do you think should get the call?
dang
At least someone put up a gem for his Shea finale. In the spirit of closing out Shea, I'd like to buy that man a Rheingold.
Cubs not trying?
I know they are leading the Brewers 2-0, but the cubs are benching all their starters. Alfonso Soriano, Mark DeRosa, Aramis Ramirez, Derek Lee, and Ryan Theriot are all grabbing pine for the cubbies. if they win i don't care, but if they wind up losing....isn't that sort of cheap? this is the same team whose manager said just this past few days when they were playing us that he was starting all his regulars throughout for the integrity of the game. that's all well and good, except he started his starters for the 4 games vs. us and now that their playing our opponents he benches his starters! that is really cheap and if the brewers win without the cubs best players in i will be ticked.
are they really
I hadn't looked yet at who's playing, but this sounds like grounds for a commissioner's protest or something if that's the case. Piniella promising that he'd play his regular lineup too removes any claim that it didn't occur to him. From the Cubs' point of view, why wouldn't they want to play the Mets, who are stumbling more (this week anyway) than the Brewers? Now it's 4-0 so maybe it's a moot point and we might have some say in what Game 162 means. I hope 162 has some meaning, but whether it does or not or how it turns out, we're going to realize after it's done that Shea is gone.
THE CUBS ARE TRYING TO LOSE!!!!!
frigin bastards! they are not starting their starters today either! and what worse, instead of starting zambrano as they were slated to, the cubs are throwing out some triple A guy! and they say they'll only use him for 1 or 2 innings to give the bullpen some work to "get them ready for the playoffs". bullshit! the cubs would much rather play the dodgers than us in the playoffs, and if the brewers win, since division rivals can't play each other in the first round, thy would get the easier dodgers. it's so obvious! is there any way the mets can complain to the commish? lou even PROMISED that he would start his regulars "for the integrity of the game", and he did so against as and in doing so took 2 games from us, but now he's not vs. the brewers. what the hell. and when a reporter cornered pinella about the decision this was his response...
"it's not going to matter because...well...it's just not going to matter."
i swear that is word for word what he said. with the brewers pitching CC against the cubs backups and them pitching their worst SP and their bullpen against the brewers, it is not looking like the brewers are going to help us out. that unfairl puts the mets in a must win position today (which i guess they were in anyway) but i am very mad at pinella. there has to be some way we can challenge this with the commish or something!
Correction
Ok i'm sorry pinella is starting his roster regulars. but still, he's putting in angel guzman, who has a 7.04 era in 5 career starts, all cubs losses, and says no pitcher will go more than 1 or 2 innings. very gay. he didn't do that to us!
Great Game
I got back from the game a little while ago and am sorting through all the media. I got to say hi to Sgt. Warbucks who was at the game with a friend. Lots of pics, audio and video coming. The Brewers are behind by two now so we'll see what happens with that game.
Insurance Runs
Fukudome homer puts Cubs up 6-3 in the top of the 9th in Milwaukee.
Milwaukee Loses!
The Mets are tied for the wild card. Keep in mind that if the Mets and Brewers end up tied that there will be a one game playoff at Shea Stadium on Monday. The damn Phillies won. No time to fret about the NL East though.
162 162 162 162 162 162 162 162 162 162 162 162 162 162 162 162
Now....if only Wright or Church could've come up with a sac fly or even a deep ground ball a few nights ago, we'd have Milwaukee on the brink of elimination tomorrow. Still, if you're in it going into game 162, ya gotta believe.
You Never Know
You could think back to a number of games, including one I remember that was blown against the Phillies at Shea in the 9th inning. When the race is tight those types of things become incredibly important. The Mets have won the wild card in a situation very similar to this (I'm thinking of 1999) before so playoff baseball is still possible for the Mets in 2008.
or Johan
Or, being in Minnesota, I think back to the 2007 series vs. the Twins where we dropped 2 of 3 and I think Santana beat us once. There's your 1 game back after game 162. But this year think how much better we did in interleague games and against the Phillies in particular. Without that we'd be done today.
Feels a little like last year
Going up against the fish in the last weekend of the season again. Maine was stellar in the 2nd last game of '07 against them as was Johan tonight. Here's hoping Perez doesn't have a meltdown like Glavine did on the final day. Tomorrow is a must win because the pitching match up tomorrow in the Cubs/Brewers game heavily favours the Brewers although Sabathia could be the little bit more vulnerable on short rest.
Doesn't Have To End Like Last Year
If the Mets win on Sunday then at the very least there will be one playoff game at Shea Stadium. The Mets reached the playoffs in a similar fashion in 1999, beating the Reds in Cincinnati in a one game playoff. And we shouldn't forget that all the pressure is on the Brewers because the Mets gained five games on them in September. So while the Mets have played just okay (13-11 in September) the Brewers have been bad.
One thing going for us
I tuned in to the end of the Brewers/Cubs games and there were a LOT of Cubs fans there and I assume it will be the same tomorrow. I'm guessing a lot of Cubs fans bought up tickets early thinking this might be the series where they clinch the division. When Wood was closing the game, it seemed like a Cubs home game with all the noise they were making.
I wonder if Lou will start his strongest lineup. You would think he would want his team to go into the playoffs on a winning note.
We'll Make It I Swear..
....Whoaaah LIVIN' ON A PRAYER!!
Manuel - "...that was gangster."
One of the funniest quotes I've heard from a manager speaking of player performance. The full Jerry Manuel quote follows.
"If I had to describe that one, I'd say that was gangster," said Jerry Manuel, who had to be prodded this week to let Santana start on short rest. "That was serious gangster right there."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09272008/sports/mets/gametracker__marlins_at...
I'll Be There
My brother came through with a ticket for the final game today. So I'll be there rooting for a win. Have camera will travel so I hope to have some more good video and audio from the game.
You Dog!!
Rob,
I could not be MORE jealous!
Enjoy! I'll be looking for a BIG WIN today! And a great wrap up podcast!
Post Season dreams still live!
Tug Said it.....I believe it.....That settles it......
YA GOTTA BELIEVE
We got our second chance...
who cares about the brewers cubs shenanigans. we don't need them to lose. we need to win. all winter in the weight room and all the offseason moves we made and all the spring training and the 6 months of season we've had, we have been fighting for our chance to get an undo of last season. to get a do-over on that last day. this year, while the season storyline has been much diffreent (we were teh ones coming back from 8 games out and making it a tight race towards the end instead of the phils/brewers), the basic situation is the same. we are tied for playoffs position entering the final day of the season. we can get in, fall out, or postpone decision on whether or not we enter the playoffs based on our one game this year. nothing else this whole season matters. we can forget about last seasons nightmares. we can forget about all our bullpen woes and 12 blown 9th inning leads and 29 blown saves and our bats crumbling with RISP and all those stats and it is all erased if we beat out the brewers. things go our way and we are in the playoffs, with redemption and a fresh start. things don't go our way and we have another year of humiliation and frustration and defeat having lost on the final day of the season for the second straight year.
no pressure ollie! lol
Smith & Beltran giving us a shot
Great job by Smith putting out the fire there and Beltran ties it up. Milwaukee may only be down by 1 run, but it's starting to get late for them and their pitcher [again] on 3 days' rest.
LET'S GO METS!
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Milwaukee now tied (on a bases loaded walk no less), but it looked like they could've blown it open and didn't. We're tied, they're tied.
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I hope Rob can at least work some Mets magic at big Shea one more time.
Gut wrenching loss
Wow I did not see this game coming. Today was setting up to be the perfect day the Jets won big my fantasy football team is winning 145-81 and the Mets were tied and the brewers losing. Enter Scott NO@#!$#!SHOenweis and Luis Ayallow home runs! Then Delgado JUST misses a HR and same with Church. That's been the story of the mets at shea so close but so far away. Maybe a change of scenay will be good for the Mets. Oh and if Heilman and Shoenweiss are Mets next season I'm gonna become a yankee fan!!
Season over...
and I'm at a lost for words. How the Mets could do absolutely nothing in the clutch with our lineup is beyond me. We better see major changes from Jerry and Omar or the Mets will die off for another 20 years. I mean, how we still have Feliciano (who's let in 57 hits in 53 innings AND 20-some walks) is beyond me, not to mention that he's made 85 appearances to boot!
actions needed this offseason:
1. Fire Feliciano
2. Fire Heilman
3. Find better arms
4. Fix Pedro (he still has the stuff, he can very easily be a #2 starter again if we work on it)
5. Revamp our lineup (they can't do anything with RISP)
6. Fix David Wright's swing (he keeps swinging up and always flies out to an infielder in big spots)
7. Work on baserunning (the Mets should steal TONS more bases)
8. Hope everyone we have injured will heal up
9. Put Johan through one hell of a conditioning program so that he can pitch on 1 days rest and can pitch like 10 complete games a season.
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I'm not even speechless, that was last year. This was just aggravating this whole season. They fall apart all the first half, look like they have no chance. Then they fire Willie, move Jerry up and make the big climb. Good streaks here and there, winning 10 in a row, 5 a few times, whatever and no extended losing streaks. Bad losses didn't turn into 3, 4, 5 in a row or 8 out of 10. Even with Wagner having a miserable season as a closer, blowing some gimme saves and somehow making the All Star team, we still hung in there. Maine went down, but he wasn't the same Maine as last year anyway. Martinez was nowhere near as good as when he came back last year. Perez was hot, cold, hot, cold, but always more cold.
Then they climb back just close enough to where we passed Philadelphia in the last week and had what seemed a safe backup in the WC. We didn't play THAT BADLY down the stretch either - 7-10 in the last 17 is hardly THE COLLAPSE II. Milwaukee had been lousy all month--then all of a sudden, WHAM! They can't lose. Philadelphia? What's their record the past 2-3 weeks been? Jeez, it takes some amazing combination of events and trends for this to happen two years in a row, albeit to a lesser degree this year. I'm still left with a bitter taste in my mouth for the anti-New York bias in the league, the media (try the ESPN Baseball Tonight podcast with the rah-rah Phillies fan sometime). Every other team in the league loves nothing better than making sure New York gets knocked out. They rearrange their lineups and rotations accordingly and go soft on Milwaukee and Philadelphia. Do you think Washington played Philadelphia with the same intensity this weekend as they did us last week??? Or Chicago playing Milwaukee??? Hell no. There would be some poetic justice if MIlwaukee turns around and knocks Chicago's sandbagging butts out of the playoffs. And if Florida or Atlanta could've played the rest of the season the same way they did against the Mets the past 3 weeks maybe they would've had something to play for in game 162. Losers.
And for all the media who were running articles when the Mets were up like "There's still time for the Mets to blow it" from that Newsday jerk, it's on your hands too for perpetuating the assumption that the Mets would blow it this year because they did last year. YOU turned it into a self-fulfilling prophecy instead of having positive word one to say about the Mets.
It kills me to think that either Philadelphia or Milwaukee will now advance, but conversely one of them WON'T. I guess root for Philadelphia to lose first, then Milwaukee. I'll pull then for L.A. over the Cubs since the Cubs sandbagged it against Milwaukee. 100 years? Screw 'em, keep waiting as far as I'm concerned. Piniella....what else would you expect from a Yankee. Heck, I might have to root for an A.L. team for the first time here--I'm in Minnesota anyway, that might be an option, or there's always Tampa Bay. I doubt they'll be a force to reckon with year in year out despite an amazing turnaround for one year.
I can imagine what a grim scene the final Shea "festivities" were on the field after that fiasco. I feel sorry for the Mets greats that were there and wonder how NOTHING from them rubbed off on the current Mets.
I don't know why
people keep bashing Wagner, he is not overrated and he most definitely did not have a miserable season (apart from the injury). In fact, he was the sole shining light in our bullpen for a long time. Whenever we had to turn the ball over to the relievers, i had to hide in my room until the 9th inning, after which i was ok. Sure he had 7 blown saves this year, a lot of great closers did. If you take those 7 games out of the equation, he's lights out. I hate to break it to you guys, but I could care less if a pitcher blows 10 saves in a season if he's pitching lights out for the other 152 (which Wagner was). There are soooo many other relievers we should get rid of first, and because of us having to get rid of so many, i say we keep Wagner and see what he has after he heals up (regardless of however long away that may be). I mean, someone like Ayala with barely any talent came on and pitched well for us after the same surgery, I trust Wagner will come back strong.
As for the rest of the team, well, it's pretty obvious where we should build.
Wagner
You're telling fans of a team that missed the NL East title by 1 and 2 games the past 2 years and the Wild Card by 1 game this year to discount the 7 blown saves he had this year in only half a year. Blow half of them and we're prepping for the NLDS. Sorry, an All Star closer's got to close the deal more than 79% of the time and not be such a baby about starting or entering an inning mid-inning and, yeah, he sometimes might have to get 4 or 5 outs. If Santana were closing, he sure wouldn't complain like that. So he stood up to the media when he sucked and said so in so many words. I'd still rather have a closer that didn't suck. How many years of Benitez did we endure? Not saying everyone's going to have a Brad Lidge year (41 of 41), but some of Wagner's blown saves were absolutely brutal. Look up what some of those games were. Wagner may come back strong, I couldn't care less, it won't be for the Mets in 2009, I doubt it will be for the Mets ever.
Billy Not The Problem
Billy Wagner seems to shoulder a lot blame on a team that had a shady cast of characters in the bullpen. Billy did blow a few saves but what we know now is that he was injured and trying to play through it. So while the pen was shaky with Wagner trying to pitch, the pen absolutely collapsed once Wagner went to the DL. Billy wasn't the best closer in the league anymore but when he was healthy I had no problems with his performance.
It's a moot point now anyway. Omar Minaya needs to go out and get someone else (how about Frankie Rodriquez?) for 2009.
Wagner
Billy blew more than a few saves, whether or not he stood up and faced the media afterwards and regardless of how shaky the rest of the pen was (very as it turned out). I'm tired of picking up the best guy in the game from whatever year and just watching them do not a lot once they don orange and blue. I don't want to throw $100 million at this K-Rod based on one year--I've never heard of him even before this year, heck, before 6 weeks ago really. A.L. pitchers tend to stink up the joint here, Santana being the exception.
Wagner tried pitching through injuries, great, I'm thrilled to hear. How about when you're injured, you tell the team, get treated and don't make things worse by trying to play at a level that you can't DUE TO that injury? An injured player playing isn't doing his team any favors since Kirk Gibson retired.
Billy and Frankie
Wagner recorded seven blown saves this year. For comparison purposes Jonathan Pabelbon blew five saves. Frankie Rodriguez blew seven saves. Brad Lidge had zero blown saves. Mariano had one. So Billy's numbers don't put him at the top of the list on closers, but he's not at the bottom either. I'm tired of Wagner getting the blame when there were a lot of other things wrong with the Mets in 2008. The rest of the bullpen was awful. And there were several games where the offense failed in the late innings, causing the pen to get pushed much harder then they needed to be.
Now Frankie Rodriguez is a blue chip closer. He has had 45, 47, 40 and 62 saves over the past four seasons. He has a lifetime ERA of 2.35. And he'll be 27 years old next season. I'd rather pay the money for him then be cheap and roll the dice with either Luis Ayala or Aaron Heilman in a closer role next season.
Wagner again
I haven't compared all these closers' stats side by side. Let's face it, not all saves are equal, neither are all blown saves. What's sticking out in MY mind though is that a lot of the saves that Wagner blew were brutal kicks to the gut. And 7 blown saves through the 2/3 of a season he played translates to 10-12 over a full season.
I see a lot of traffic online about Wagner's blown saves being blown out of proportion e.g.:
> Wagner, though spotty at times, has been a solid closer overall this season. Before Wagner hit the disabled list, no one on the roster had a save. Though he has seven blown saves this season (his most since 2000), he also has 27 saves and an ERA of 2.30.
But my college minor was economics and I know you can take statistics to make any point you want. Look at the individual narratives of the games where he coughed up the lead. I doubt there was more than one that didn't turn into a loss. Other teams' relievers might blow a save, then someone else picks them up or there's a comeback. If we did that once all year for Wagner, I'd be surprised. I know he didn't have any blown saves that turned into W's for himself.
I suspect Wagner loaded all the quality into the saves and managed to dump all over the 7 blown saves. ERA of 2.30 is nice, but what reliever has a high ERA? It's all about keeping your starters' runners from scoring, not your own. In other words he was untouchable when he succeeded and mediocre to awful when anything went wrong.
The Air Got Sucked Out Of Shea
I was sitting one row from the top of the stadium yesterday and the air was pretty thin up there to begin with. But when Ryan Church made the final out (which I actually captured on video) you could feel the air sucked out of people's lungs. It was over. No more baseball at Shea Stadium.
People were pretty stunned. And it didn't help that the Marlins lingered on the field in celebration. At one point the fans started cheering, "Off the field!" The Mets may have lost the game but Shea is still our house.
Anyway, the end was very disappointing. There were some happy (if not Amazin) moments. Before the game I got some video (to be shared soon) of Dwight Gooden and Tom Seaver entering Shea. The Beltran home run put a charge into the crowd. And what a crowd it was. That stadium was packed to the gills. More to follow...
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